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When Democrats take over in November

I'm flattered, Mr_Snuffalluffagus

Posted by Free Your Mind on 2006-08-12 01:38:23

It was very kind of you to dedicate a poll to me; I'll make a point of doing the same for you one day ;).

Your poll had a few good questions, a few obvious ones, and many nonsensical ones...actually, above average for a conservative. My hat is off to you.

For myself, I'm a socialist; the Democratic Party to me is simply the lesser of two evils. Still, I'll take a Conyers, Waters, Kucinich, Frank or Lee over a DeLay, Frist, Santorum, Boehner, or Istook any day.

Now, tell us, Mr_Snuffalluffagus: what will you do when the Democrats retake control of Congress?

Posted by Mr_Snuffalluffagus on 2006-08-13 19:02:50

Regardless of the outcome of the election, I will continue to work in the one branch of government that has had its budget truly cut over and over, while every other branch has had an increase.

Since I wrote this a few weeks ago, the primary in Connecticut has occured with mixed implications. I honestly believe that Senator Lieberman has a slightly greater than 50% chance to win reelection as an independant. I say this because so many people in that state were inelegible to vote in the primary because they are either Republican, or non-committed. With all eligible voters voting in November, the outcome will be interesting at least, and it could have an impact on three house seats the Democrats have their eyes on. Since incumbants have a decided advantage due to simple name recognition, I believe their chances of being reelected will be elevated than had Senetor Lieberman won the primary. That was a very close primary in terms of vote count and percentage. Should he win election and the Republicans retain control, what would his allegiance belong to? This will be a very interesting race to watch, and it's results could have an impact through the 2008 presidential election.

Taking control of congress may not be a good thing for the Democrats and here is my reasoning. If they do take control, then it will be their policies that will set the tone for the presidential election in 2008. If they change a lot of things that have been in place for a long time, it may hurt them if the public doesn't see them as a positive move. It actually could be easier for Republicans to run the 2008 election in a similar way to the way the Democrats do now. Democrats could actually get themselves into a catch-22 situation because they could be forced to play their hand in what their real outlook is for the United States. This could allow the Republicans to run a campaign using a "We can fix what the Democrats Screwed up" program. Actually, if the Democrats win just enough seats for the Republicans to maintain the slightest majority, the chances of winning the House, Senate and Presidency all in 2008 would be the most feasible.

So, regardless of the outcome, I don't believe the policies of the Democrats will be put forward very strongly, at least for the first two year period. They need to win and take at least a 10 seat majority, or wait until a second consecutive election with them gaining seats for them to be able to work with a mandate.

Posted by James Foley on 2006-08-15 18:11:33

Hah..truthfully the entire poll was pretty farsical (sp?). Just more extremist crap really. It doesn't matter whos in power, they're all a bunch of corrupt idiots, and if they run off the platforms in this poll I think an independant is the only way to go. The very problem is this idea of mandate.

The only mandate any government really has is to keep its citizens safe, and protected, including from itself.

Do you two really want to know who's going to win?

It'll be the man or woman who can recite the constitution front to back AND be able to explain what each line means. It'll be the man or woman who can recite Dale Carnegie's How to win Friends and Influence People Front to back and actually understand all the chapters and nuiances.

I'd have to say what $%!@es the average American off the most is the kindergarten atmosphere.... fighting over the wrong issues, and then pouting and throwing temper tantrums when they've found out they screwed up. The bold faced lying, and the cover ups... not of massive FUBAR's [Friggin Up Beyond All Recognition]which is honestly to be expected, but the cover ups of simple mistakes; mistakes that with attention can be fixed.

To summarize, the Deny, Disregard, Downplay strategy of not just this administration, but the 5 before it as well: Deny a thing happened or a mistake was made, Disregard it as not being anything of importance when it's found out, and downplay the predictable consequences.

Now both of you go to your corners and think about what you've done ;).

Posted by Mr_Snuffalluffagus on 2006-08-16 21:25:08

Hey, Free Your Mind.....what do you think? Someone tries to come in between our civil discussion here by spouting off so many words without actually saying anything.

It would be so refreshing if someone who wants to take and issue do just that....take up an issue, or multiple issues, and write their opinion based on actual facts and not using slogans, catchphrases or talking points they heard on the news.

I don't know about you, but I'm willing to ignore the post above. Take an issue from this poll and compare it to America's founding documents to see first if it's even constitutional, and then describe how it should be discontinued or corrected to make it constitutional. And if there is a program in effect that is indeed constitutional, research when it was enacted into law and who was in control of the two houses of Congress and the presidency. There are some things that Americans complain about our government that have been in effect for not just the 5 previous administrations, but the six administrations prior to that.

Tell you what...I'll start.....

In what American document is it found that the Government is to act as a charity of any kind? Please don't say, "The Preamble of the Constitution" with the words, "promote the general welfare". There is nothing about the Preamble that is enforceable, it just introduces readers to the document as a whole.

No, I will not go to some corner, many issues are important to me, as are my friend Free Your Mind. We have different opinions about them but we both come to the table in a civil manner, which is much better than coming to the table, verbally swinging.

Posted by James Foley on 2006-08-16 23:53:44

Mr_Snuffalluffagus posts, obviously being oblivious to the fact that this IS a public forum that anyone may write in sticks his foot in his mouth and says>>Hey, Free Your Mind.....what do you think? Someone tries to come in between our civil discussion here by spouting off so many words without actually saying anything.

Shadowwatcher>>>Very well, I'll say it as monosyllabically as possible so you can keep up... Your poll is inadequately outlined because you [the creator] are inadequately educated on just what it is Americans really want and need out of their government. Clear enough for you?

Snuff>>It would be so refreshing if someone who wants to take an issue do just that....take up an issue, or multiple issues, and write their opinion based on actual facts and not using slogans, catchphrases or talking points they heard on the news.

Shadowwatcher>>>Not at all dear Snuff, I didn't go into the boring details because, based on the structure of your poll, you would be lost anyways. However, if ou insist on embarrassing yourself I would be happy to oblige a FOX news fan such as yourself.

Snuff>>I don't know about you, but I'm willing to ignore the post above.

Shadowwatcher>>>Yes, because it was the right and correct thing to do for Pres. Bush to do when he ignored the memo that said agents of Al Qaeda were in the US. Ignoring things is the best way to deal with those very things isn't it?

Snuff>>Take an issue from this poll and compare it to America's founding documents to see first if it's even constitutional, and then describe how it should be discontinued or corrected to make it constitutional. And if there is a program in effect that is indeed constitutional, research when it was enacted into law and who was in control of the two houses of Congress and the presidency. There are some things that Americans complain about our government that have been in effect for not just the 5 previous administrations, but the six administrations prior to that.

Shadowwatcher>>>My my my, we have gotten all captain obvious haven't we. Would you like me to address EVERY instance or just the ones you agree with?... maybe that's too deep a thought for you... I'll simplify so you can keep up... if there is a fire in the building, is it necessary to tell people what temperature the fire is or how long it's been burning?

Snuff>>>Tell you what...I'll start.....

Shadowwatcher>>>Well, it's about time

Snuff>>In what American document is it found that the Government is to act as a charity of any kind?

Shadowwatcher>>>None actually, however, there are certain elusions to equality in it that seem to be popular. As well, the entire thing is based on the idea that the people are capable of governing themselves. Although I am intrigued Snuff. Just what Charity is it you think either the Dems or Repubes are advocating for? Or that i am advocating for?

Snuff>>Please don't say, "The Preamble of the Constitution" with the words, "promote the general welfare". There is nothing about the Preamble that is enforceable, it just introduces readers to the document as a whole.

Shadowwatcher>>>Actually, the Preamble, Snuff, is enforcable by the subsequent language of the constitution. The constitution is the enforcement of the principles behind the preamble. The subsequent language of the articles is how the PreAmble is to be enforced and enacted and maintaned.

Snuff>>No, I will not go to some corner, many issues are important to me, as are my friend Free Your Mind. We have different opinions about them but we both come to the table in a civil manner, which is much better than coming to the table, verbally swinging.

Shadowwatcehr>>>Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was a debate. I must have gotten confused by the nonsensical ramblings offered in the outline of this poll. Your 'bad.'