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Posted in What do you know about abortion? on 2002-06-25 06:20:39

That is a lovely argument you made there... insert sarcasm here

You have nothing to back up your statement other than it is wrong because it is taking the life off someone who can't defend itself.

Can baby insects defend themselves? No. Do you step on them daily? Yes. Is this wrong also?

And you say that this baby can't defend itself, which is true. (Except it isn't a baby quite yet) It also can't think for itself or rely on itself. The mother has to provide all food, nutrients and everything the fetus needs to grow and survive. The mother also has to provide the body. It IS her body, and you are taking this choice off of her... She has the right to defend herself just as the baby does, does she not?

========== In Reply To ========== ABORTION IS INCREDIBLY WRONG. IT IS TAKING THE LIFE OF A BABY THAT CAN NOT DEFEND ITSELF. DO NOT GET AN ABORTION OR SUPPORT ABORTIONS IN ANY WAY.

Posted in Survey on Abortion on 2002-06-24 07:48:53

Please note: This is Amy.

I never said the woman would have wanted to abort the baby in the first place. In keeping the child she obviously chose to do so, did she not? I never implied anything about her preferences, you did that. I was merely trying to point your attention to the fact that a baby would be hard to give up.

I never made the implication that the mother didn't WANT to give all these things, I was pointing out that they are not easy things to give. Nor do they come easily.

You missed what I was getting at entirely. You made all your implications from what I said but never actually got what I was saying. I wasn't trying to imply anything, I was just stating something. I was simply getting at that babies are not easy to look after. I know this as I volunteer at a early childhood centre and am surrounded by babies and young children a fair bit.

========== In Reply To ========== Amy,

In answer to the first paragraph below...If the mother would have preferred to abort the baby to begin with, I doubt it would be very hard to give him or her up at all. If it indeed would be hard, then it appears as if everyone's pretty happy with the way things turned out, and there's no problem.

As for the second, if the mother is unwilling or unable to invest these things into raising the child, adoption is always an option, or perhaps she can call upon the help of relatives or charities if actually seeing the baby affects her perception of its value that drastically.

I think I see what you're getting at... Mother has baby, mother is poor or incompetent, mother does not take good care of baby, baby has crappy life. This isn't really realistic in the context of abortion, however. If the mother is devoted enough to invest so much of her limited resources in the child, I can't see that she would have gotten an abortion in any case, and if not, she would surely put him or her up for adoption.

Posted in Survey on Abortion on 2002-06-24 07:43:00

Why should your views differ in this certain circumstance? And why only this one? If you WERE a true believer in pro-life, pro-life would be in every situation, whatever that may be.

They could do bad things also. It works both ways. In saying what you have said it would be a hell of a lot of "What if's"... which is a pointless phrase and nothing more.

I'm not religious (well, I am agnostic) and I have a strong views on abortion. Abortion is just an issue of religion.

========== In Reply To ========== Plain and simple...Only reason abortion is acceptable is if mother and child are both going to die. You cannot pick comfort over life, nor can you choose one life over another...humans aren't qualified to do that. Those who can live with themselves after doing so have no conscience. Abortion represents the worst legal wrong in America today, hands down.

If you'd rather be rigidly pragmatic, think about all the great things ordinary people do. Now, think of all the children killed by abortion. Now, stop and consider that an aborted child may have one day gone on to cure cancer or some such wonderful thing. It's illogical to waste human potential.

By the way, I'm Catholic. Notice how I just made a strong case without being at all religious, though? It's not hard.

Posted in Survey on Abortion on 2002-06-24 07:38:30

This is: amy!

Note: Don't insult my intelligence, it will get you no where. Don't patronise me, I don't know why the hell you are doing it and you have no reason to do so, so don't. Enough of your pointless comments about how I show my intelligence or whatever because I show my intelligence ALWAYS. If you don't like or agree with me, so be it. Point it out but don't start giving me points for saying something you agree with. Yes, I have more intelligence and maturity than the average teenager, we have established that... we need not dwell on it anymore.

I'm going to have to copy what you said have said and post under it, like what you have done. It might get a bit messed up so you might have to try and decifer, sorry.

QUOTE: That's ironic. The heavy flak of your arguments deal with mostly the MOTHER and not the baby-didn't you say you thought people thought otherwise?

Other people think otherwise, yes. But not me.

QUOTE: I feel a sense of anger in your post. Anyway, we most definitly have. Try talking to someone who actually had an abortion, and they'll probably agree with me. I not only say abortion is bad because it kills a life, it ALSO harms the mothers life. Whether more or less had an abortion occured is all up to you.

Sense all you like, it is a post, a point. I am not angry with you or anything, sorry if it seems that way.

I'll point out, what I have pointed out to everyone on this site. You are killing a life when you step on a beetle, as we do most days without realising. You are killing a life, well somewhat, each time you eat some kind of meat (I wouldn't know if you were a vegetarian or not...). Is this any different?

QUOTE: Don't be an idiot. This does not give the mother a right to end it's life. You'd agree with me if your mother took your advice

I am pro-choice, meaning I am pro-choice with every circumstance, including myself. If my mum wanted to have an abortion instead of giving birth to me, I would agree with that. It is her choice (Of course, that is impossible because if she chose to do that, I would not be here right now) It does give the mother a right to end the babies life though. It is her body, and she can control and choose with what she does with it. If she doesn't want some other 'human' relying on her, she doesn't have to.

QUOTE: Explain that to me- are you saying it's okay to kill a fetus if it can't live on it's own? I don't quite get your point there.

If the baby could provide its own womb, its own food and source of life for those 9 months, then YES - they can make the choice to live or not

^^^ I say this because the baby can't think for itself, agreed? It has to rely on someone else to eat, breath, get nutrients. These are all things it needs to live inside the womb... without these, it would die anyway (like abortion). So what if the mother decides not to choose abortion but decides not to eat and such things like that. It would have the same effect. The fetus can't live without the mother feeding it. The fetus can't live without relying on its mother. If it could go through the first 9 months of its development by itself, I'd be happy in supporting it's own life. But since it can't, I think the mother should be given a choice in the matter, since it is HER body that the baby is relying on.

QUOTE: No. Give it to someone who does want it, so your life isn't ruined, neither is the babies, and someone's life is filled with happiness cuz they got a new baby.

That is lovely and works out fine in many cases, but not all. Some mothers can't go through with the 9 months of pregnancy. Because they have a life in which isn't baby-friendly perhaps. Or they are a teenager who wouldn't even handle having a baby. I mean, teenage bodies are still growing themselves... and now they are expected to have another body growing inside a growing body. It gets a whole lot more complicated sometimes.

My question: But the mother is expected to go through with this?

QUOTE: YES. Because she has no right to kill. And don't forget about the FATHER...he had BETTER be there for support, or someone should kill him. Don't give away sperm if you can't take care of a mature sperm, males!

She has no right to kill, no right to take charge of her body, no right to make her own decisions? It is, afterall, the same thing. And males aren't always going to be there, I know, it's $%!@, but it happens. Females can't rely on the males.

My statement: The years after birth - keeping the child. This involves money, clothes, food, drink, care, love, hugs and time.

QUOTE: You are giving the impression that care, love, hugs and time are bad things. I know you're not that stupid. Try rephrasing your message.

I was never implying they were a bad thing. I'm implying that they are things that not everyone is capable of. They take a lot of energy and not everyone are loving, caring people... it's sad, but true.

QUOTE: Drop the childish attitude that everything in the world should only be there if you want it. And another thing...if you don't want the baby...GIVE IT UP TO ADOPTION!!! sigh When will they listen...

Ack, that's another thing. Don't insult my attitude, I hate it when people do that, especially people that don't know me nor my REAL attitude. Can you please tell me why everything int he world should NOT just be there if we want it? Is there any harm in it? We only live once, so why not make the most of our lives... why DON'T we live them the way we WANT to live them?

My statement: Also, I would like to add that I am a firm believer that people shouldn't be having sexual intercourse until they are abosolutely ready to face the consequences, but obviously by the time you are pregnant and considering abortion it is too late to dwell on that.

QUOTE: Good, good, you have shown me that if you are a teenager, you do have more intelligence than the average teen. But the question is risen...are you what you said... pregnant, considering abortion? Or is that just a logical phrase? Take my advice. If you don't want to, take someone who has had an abortions advice. If they are not mentally ill, they will say something very similar to what I am saying to you now.

No, I'm not pregnant. I am a virgin and will remain to be one until I have some responsibility and am ready for consequences. It is a logical phrase, yes. I find truth in it. People are always fighting for what happens after the deed has been done. But we can't go back and change things, we can't go into the past and take back our actions, as much as we would like to. Once it has happened, you are left with a decision and the outcomes of the decision will be different depending on you and your situation.

========== In Reply To ==========

QUOTE: Also, I would like to add that I am a firm believer that people shouldn't be having sexual intercourse until they are abosolutely ready to face the consequences, but obviously by the time you are pregnant and considering abortion it is too late to dwell on that.

Good, good, you have shown me that if you are a teenager, you do have more intelligence than the average teen. But the question is risen...are you what you said... pregnant, considering abortion? Or is that just a logical phrase?

Take my advice. If you don't want to, take someone who has had an abortions advice. If they are not mentally ill, they will say something very similar to what I am saying to you now.

Also, I would like to add that I am a firm believer that people shouldn't be having sexual intercourse until they are absolutely ready to face the consequences, but obviously by the time you are pregnant and considering abortion it is too late to dwell on that.

Posted in Survey on Abortion on 2002-06-24 07:15:16

Note: Don't insult my intelligence, it will get you no where. Enough of your pointless comments about how I show it or whatever because I show my intelligence ALWAYS. If you don't like or agree with me, so be it. Point it out but don't start giving me points for saying something you agree with. Yes, I am more intelligent and mature than the average teenager, we have established that... we need not dwell on it anymore.

I'm going to have to copy what you said have said and post under it, like what you have done. It might get a bit messed up so you might have to try and decifer, sorry.

QUOTE: That's ironic. The heavy flak of your arguments deal with mostly the MOTHER and not the baby-didn't you say you thought people thought otherwise?

Other people think otherwise, yes. But not me.

QUOTE: I feel a sense of anger in your post. Anyway, we most definitly have. Try talking to someone who actually had an abortion, and they'll probably agree with me. I not only say abortion is bad because it kills a life, it ALSO harms the mothers life. Whether more or less had an abortion occured is all up to you.

Sense all you like, it is a post, a point. I am not angry with you or anything, sorry if it seems that way. I'll point out, what I have pointed out to everyone on this site. You are killing a life when you step on a beetle, as we do most days without realising. You are killing a life, well somewhat, each time you eat some kind of meat (I wouldn't know if you were a vegetarian or not...). Is this any different?

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QUOTE: 9 months of pregnancy. This baby is totally dependant on its mother

Don't be an idiot. This does not give the mother a right to end it's life. You'd agree with me if your mother took your advice

QUOTE: If the baby could provide its own womb, its own food and source of life for those 9 months, then YES - they can make the choice to live or not.

Explain that to me- are you saying it's okay to kill a fetus if it can't live on it's own? I don't quite get your point there.

QUOTE: They have to ruin their own life, to help anothers life.

No. Give it to someone who does want it, so your life isn't ruined, neither is the babies, and someone's life is filled with happiness cuz they got a new baby.

QUOTE: But the mother is expected to go through with this?

YES. Because she has no right to kill. And don't forget about the FATHER...he had BETTER be there for support, or someone should kill him. Don't give away sperm if you can't take care of a mature sperm, males!

QUOTE: The years after birth - adoption?

So you DO Have some intelligence in you!

QUOTE: but how easy is it to give up this baby that you went through 9 months of pregnancy and then birth for?

Pretty darn easy, as you have pointed to in your message.

QUOTE: The years after birth - keeping the child. This involves money, clothes, food, drink, care, love, hugs and time.

You are giving the impression that care, love, hugs and time are bad things. I know you're not that stupid. Try rephrasing your message.

QUOTE: A baby, a child, a teenager, an adult. None of those are easy things to look after.

Showing some more intelligence. Keep it up...

QUOTE: I mean sure, in keeping the baby we could impact the world and everything but at what expense?

Yes, keeping the baby is most off to have a positive effect. But what do you mean an EXPENSE? If you don't want to raise it, GIVE IT UP TO ADOPTION IT ISN'T HARD! STOP MAKING IT SEEM LIKE IT'S SO HARD!

QUOTE: To have a baby you SHOULD be willing.

YES YES! Score some more for you in the intelligence game!

QUOTE: Because it is no use spending a good year of your life (at the least) on something that you don't even want.

Drop the childish attitude that everything in the world should only be there if you want it. And another thing...if you don't want the baby...GIVE IT UP TO ADOPTION!!! sigh When will they listen...

QUOTE: Also, I would like to add that I am a firm believer that people shouldn't be having sexual intercourse until they are abosolutely ready to face the consequences, but obviously by the time you are pregnant and considering abortion it is too late to dwell on that.

Good, good, you have shown me that if you are a teenager, you do have more intelligence than the average teen. But the question is risen...are you what you said... pregnant, considering abortion? Or is that just a logical phrase?

Take my advice. If you don't want to, take someone who has had an abortions advice. If they are not mentally ill, they will say something very similar to what I am saying to you now.

Also, I would like to add that I am a firm believer that people shouldn't be having sexual intercourse until they are absolutely ready to face the consequences, but obviously by the time you are pregnant and considering abortion it is too late to dwell on that.