User: FEMWIN

Posted by: Helen Von Mott

Taken from the FILA website

Grappling is a wrestling style also called “submission wrestling” or “submission grappling” which consists of controlling the opponent without using striking, in standing position or on the ground after a throw, and to make him or her abandon thanks to immobilisation techniques such as locks. Grappling plays an important role in the practice of Mix Martial Arts (MMA) and can be used as a self-defence technique. It brings together techniques from Brazilian jiu-jitsu, freestyle wrestling, folk American wrestling (catch-as-catch-can), sambo and judo.

Grappling has been integrated by FILA in 2006 and is managed by the World Grappling Committee whose task is to coordinate and to develop this discipline at the international level. Grappling is one of the most important disciplines of the World and European Wrestling Games organized every year by FILA.

Grappling matches last six minutes and are refereed by a referee, a judge and a mat chairman. Grapplers wear shorts and a tight shirt and are bare foot. The match is interrupted when a grappler who is in a submission situation taps the mat to let know that he or she has been defeated or when the referee considers that he or she will not able to make it without getting hurt and pronounces the word 'catch'.

I also thought that THIS was rather interesting as well...

OATH OF THE WRESTLER

I, in the name of all wrestlers taking part in this competition, abstaining from any improper act or attitude, do hereby swear to wrestle fairly, without hatred or passion, to obey the rules, to respect my adversaries and to demonstrate the utmost in sporting spirit, with dignity and fair play.

Posted by: Helen Von Mott

For the record - there is NO SUCH THING as 'Jiu Jitsu without the gi'. The uniform itself is integral to the definition of the art. Any sanctioned, no-gi grappling contest, which included the use of joint locks and choke holds, would simply be defined as a 'submission wrestling match'. Although she recieved a VERY small degree of training when she worked with me at Virago, and therefore knows a few holds, Grace herself has participated in exactly ZERO Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes. Because of this, it's absolutely ABSURD to critisize the poor woman for being a 'Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter'. She's NOT. The small amount of grappling training she's had was in SUBMISSION WRESTLING. Isn't that what she was SUPPOSED to have been doing?

Posted by: Panther

S c h m u c k, I can only answer your question with another question:

No, but why IS it part of your character make-up to talk with your head UP your fat $%!@ ??? ...

Hmmm ... you say girls who train in Jiu-jitsu are significantly advantaged over those untrained in it ? ... OH HELL, NO !!! ... REALLY ??? ... HOW CAN THAT BE ??? ... YOU SURE OF THAT ??? ... Dumb $%!@, to think that you must have finally taken that skateboard out of your fat head when your lame $%!@ fell off it a while back.

To continue: Matches should be of equal scenarios to be fair ... training backgrounds similar ... if you personally knew ahead of time that your opponent lacked professional training you'd refuse the match because of its inherent unfairness ... and blah, blah, blah, ... yada, yada, yada ...

Farktard Sam, How in the hell can you be be so d a m n retarded to make all these brilliant deductions ???

Posted by: Sam

Is it part of your character make-up to be an $%!@ kisser? Remember, almost everybody tries to justify their own actions. The girls that train in Jiu-jitsu possess a significant advantage over the untrained females - PERIOD. The matches should be of equal scenarios in order to be fair. The girls should possess similar training backgrounds. In fact, I would refuse to grapple with someone in a legimate match if I have prior knowledge that my opponent has no professional training. That would be a shallow/vain victory.

Posted by: Panther

Helen, as always you make excellent points and constantly have my first-class admiration. I also want to thank you very much for posting WWC pics of your two-against-one match in your Y! Group.

I don't go around patronizing people but I again want to say you're a hell of a (gorgeous) and terrific woman as an individual and accomplished wrestler/MMA participant and even though I meant to go the WWC but couldn't (family medical responsibilities) I still want to highly commend and thank you for participating. Really hope to see you at the next one.

Of course your fans like me know your sportswomanship is always exemplary (referencing, e.g., what you said in your match with Kara) but if anyone isn't able to use some decent sense by knowing WHEN to submit then there has to be a scoring method to award a point(s) to a wrestler who is using an immobilizing hold so that that wrestler is appropriately awarded and not penalized in a "no-win" situation. The match then resumes from a neutral beginning. Winning by points has to be just as legitimate as by submission or "tap-out" in the WWC, imho. I can't commend you highly enough for making the right decision at that time with Kara (and, BTW, am glad you posted what the FILA-defined grappling/submission wrestling is and also that oath).

Regarding the WWC match of Kristie and Grace: Look, I fully understand your point about your instruction of Grace in a very small degree of grappling training at Virago in submission wrestling but if Kristie (and it doesn't matter if it's a FILA-defined-or-sanctioned "style" of grappling/submission wrestling by FILA "standards" at the WWC or not) and her opponent agree and are aware beforehand that chokes or other holds are not allowed then Kristie is absolutely 100% right to raise hell if that choke caused her to lose OR be at a disadvantage even IF she wasn't in "danger" of being injured. Period, end of sentence, paragraph, and story. Now, you say Kristie has an attitude problem and tries to "save face" by dishing out this poor-little-me "sulking" business before whenever she gets into a losing position. O.K, I agree that if you lose legitimately that's bad and wrong but I fully support Kristie if her issue is with what I just said, otherwise.

Regarding emotion: Oh no, NOBODY -- somebody correct me here if I'm wrong -- ever meant to convey [at least I (with emphasis) never meant to convey] that we expect you or anyone to feel hatred, dislike or crap like that. Hell, no, ...no, absolutely not, ... not at all. I myself just meant that I like to hear and "feel" the "moaning," "groaning," and "strength" of the women as they compete. Big Turn-On and Satisfaction, imho.

I agree with your views on having competent, trained referees who KNOW the holds to ensure wrestler safety and I've already explained my views regarding banning chokes at WWC events in the WWC Y! Group (with legitimate exceptions). Regarding joint locks, Mike from Toronto might have the right idea: If you ban those, no problem with injuries from them, either, ... and nobody tell me I'm on a frickin' safety crusade that will end up banning so * much nothing else will be left to use. Bull*.

At any rate, I love ya'.