User: carg85

About wearing onesies in public: I fairly regularly see children outside in them, and occasionally female teenagers or young adults. Last Easter I saw a teenager delivering the morning newspaper in a rabbit onesie - wonder if that was a coincidence... A week ago I saw a university student in a Minion onesie. So rare enough to remember the individual occasions.

So Rosa wants you in a onesie, but not so much put one on herself. (And I guess hers is front zipping, anyhow ;-) Perhaps now the days are getting colder, she might start to appreciate them better.

I'm not sure why there would still be negative consequences from the failed test - I thought that they were supposed to be for 2 weeks only? I agree with your parents that if you fail the challenge, there should be some sort of consequence, but not only did they switch the daytime protection halfway, it also is not as if you made a serious transgression that you should be punished for for a long time. But at least there is your birthday gift to look forward too; from what I heard until now it shouldn't be too hard for you to keep your grades up !?

My idea about the locking zipper was to put it on the leg zipper of a model with a back zipper. Since you don't have to lock it, they are still usable as lounge PJs, but when you go to bed the zipper can be locked to make it suitable for the night (in your parents view). In that way I don't see you giving up any of your independence. Of course you could also try to put one on a front zipped pair if you want to use that one at night, which could work in the same way. I guess there might be a risk of your parents using the opportunity to lock you up earlier, but then again, if they want that they could make you put on a night time one earlier, anyhow. So no, I don't think you need them, but I expect them to give you extra possibilities.

Kitsune, there is no need to apologize for not answering when the forums are down. After two weeks I've emailed the owner, and even though he hasn't replied, two weeks later the forums were online again. (You could actually still access individual topics if you had a direct link, but the pages with the topics overview didn't work.) I hope he will also fix the problem that we don't get emails anymore about topics we watch nor for new poll results, but that has not worked since the beginning of this year.

In your previous post you told that you picked the Abena's from 3 brands - were you not that aware yet of the noise, or were the others just as bad in that aspect? Abena has cotton-feel outside disposables as well as plastic. Those are less noisy and less sweaty, so perhaps you could get those? The highest absorbency with cotton is the Abri Form X-Plus Premium Airplus; with the Abena Abri Form (M3) slightly less so, but probably less bulky too.
I think that the tapes on most diapers either stick so well that after a while you can't pull them off without damage, or might not hold when e.g. you sit down. I guess I'd prefer the former, especially if you have no access to redo them ;-)
Do you consider it a (small) advantage that your mother can see if they are wet without having to undress and check?
BTW, I do consider it unfair of your parents to change the conditions halfway through the challenge - you should have at least have gotten some time to get used to the new protection.

I know when you wear protection you notice the bulk and any noise, but especially at a store like Walmart, most people are not paying any attention to those around them, and certainly not to a possible bulkier behind, and even the noise most people won't notice or draw the right conclusions about. But with people who know you, especially from your own age, the risk is higher.
Were you actually wearing back-zip jammies to the supermarket? Did you wear something over the top? Would you not prefer overalls or a jumpsuit for those situations? (I'm not sure if sturdy denim or thick fleece would give better sound isolation.) Would the overalls you already have be big enough to fit over the protection?
I think overalls (or jumpsuits) of denim might be better at hiding the bulk than onesies because the sturdy fabric doesn't follow contours easily, but of course there are limits.
Do you think your parents would allow regular clothes on top of your disposables when going to supermarkets, on car trips, etc. if they would fit over the bulk, or do you always need to be prevented from taking them off? I do get your point that adding more clothes you need help with might also mean you'd wear them more often, although as long as it in replacement to other unremovable clothes, it shouldn't be much of an issue.

You say that you are not allowed to wear pull-ups in the Fuentes household anymore, so how does that work? Do you need to put on a disposable and jammies before you go to them, or just change there? (I guess the latter if you mention that you even have some onesies there.) Does Rosa wear (footed) onesies as well, or even only when you are there? They don't require you to wear back-zip ones there?

By now the negative consequences of failing the test have passed, and you are back to your 'normal' routine? So I guess no locking PJs or mittens as a consequence then. Have you looked further into having a leg zipper that locks, so with your night jammies you can change your protection easier? Or do your parents don't agree with that?

So the pink and black jail stripe footy pjs are the newest ones your grandma made you? It's nice that she made them like the monster high one you liked. A jail stripe is somewhat appropriate ;-O I also have a sleeper from chenille, and it is amazing fabric. Quite warm though! Why did your grandma add the flap over the zipper if they are lounge PJ's only, anyway, because of the leg zipper? Although if you'd replace the leg zipper pull with a locking one, it might be allowed for nightwear too?

By the way, if the forum would go down again, and you urgently need to talk to someone, you can email me at carg@xs4all.nl. (Perhaps not wise to use your regular email, but you could always create a gmail or hotmail account that you can delete or ignore if things don't feel comfortable.)

Hi Kitsune, a quick answer since you need to decide by Sunday on a punishment sleeper.

It almost sounds like you have a second set of parents with Rosa and her mother :-O

I think mittens would still be preferable to earlier bedtime: you can do less, but still watch TV and such. You might even get some small advantages out of it: since there are things you can not do with them, and more likely to drop things, a number of chores you wouldn't be able to do, like dishes, and even getting a soda or something the glass might slip from your hands, so perhaps your parents would need to get things like that for you? ;-)
One word of warning though about mittens: the thicker and stiffer they are, the more limiting. But make sure you can still leave the house in case of an emergency (operate doorknobs etc.).
A locking zipper on the front or between the legs would have some advantages to a back zipper: your parents might decide to unlock you when going to the bathroom, and you would still be fully clothed, handle it yourself, and be locked again after you return. They could also leave it unlocked for the evenings, and only lock it at night. And 'unauthorized personnel' wouldn't be able to release you, like your friend or cousins.
The only other thing I can think of for a sleeper that you don't like, is real babyish look, like Barney, or perhaps Dora, but since you like cute, I'm not sure your parents would be convinced that that would really be a punishment.

About the locking leg zipper at night: I don't see why your parents would object to that: it's more convenient, and just as 'safe' as a closed seam.

About overalls on trips: I think loose fitting overalls of a thicker fabric, like denim, would be at least as good for hiding a diaper as a sleeper. (Of course unless you carelessly let the top of the diaper show above the buttons on the sides.) And a sleeper might make people consider a diaper underneath quicker than overalls, perhaps. But loose fitting overalls might be harder to make 'escape proof' if your parents want to prevent you from taking them off. Another job for super-grandma? :-P

Now I need to go do my dishes - luckily without mittens :-P

I'm used to me writing the longest entries on forum threads, but you're even better at that than me ;-)

If you write about wetting more since you stopped fighting it - do you feel like you should start fighting a bit more again, to keep the wetting less out of control? Would you feel it worth the effort, or perhaps it is easier and less stressful just to accept it and learn to deal with it?
And I have heard of other people who are not incontinent, but use diapers for long trips just because it is easier - especially if there are no safe or clean enough places under way to use a bathroom. That should only contribute to accidents if you don't try to control it anymore: not if you try to hold it until you conciously decide to let it go.

About college: it sounds like you could aim for University. Of course it could be different in the US, or in the college/university of your choice, but in my case university was way more 'live and let live' than high school. There hardly was any teasing: if people didn't like you they might avoid you. But being with people of a like mind, often having courses with a lot more people than in a class, and with many courses presence being voluntary, it was a totally different, and much more pleasant experience for me. Of course joining certain types of sororities might not be a good idea though. And dorms are not always the only option. I think you would feel most comfortable at a university that suits your level and interests rather than trying to find a college nearby. And once you live away from home, what you wear when will be your own responsibility, so you can choose whatever pajama's you'd want then. (There might be parents who would want to keep controlling their children even then, but it doesn't seem like that would be the case with your parents, and even them it would be very hard for them to enforce something like that.)
So I wouldn't worry about what happens with your incontinence after high school too much, and I can't imagine you wouldn't be able to study with your handicap.

You sound like you have quite a good idea about the Little Keeper Sleeper - at first I thought you already owned a pair. But you are right, they are quite close-fitting, so diapers would be quite visible. Would you consider that a problem if you'd only wear them at home, where everyone knows about them anyhow? Here is an image of the back tab:

Did I understand correctly that you already own a locking zipper pull? (In an earlier post you wrote" "I totally forgot about the locking zipper idea haha, I think its buried in my dresser someplace. I actually put it on a set of pjs but the zipper was the wrong size. >_<") Perhaps your grandmother could use it in a front or leg-zippered sleeper: she could pick the right size zipper (plastic-coil, 5mm), and it is much easier to replace the normal zipper pull before it is sewn in a garment. Did you order it online yourself, or were your parents involved?

The funny thing about the difference between cute and babyish is rather subjective: even 5 years ago most teenagers wouldn't be caught dead in those MLP sleepers - or even sleepers in general: those were for little kids. (It did depend on the region, and esp. the cold at night, whether sleepers for older children were acceptable.) Now the fashion allows much more for teenagers and even adults that used to be considered very childish. I think the popularity of styles like kigurumi sleepers and Harajuku fashion has contributed a lot to that.

The reason I'm somewhat surprised about that lack of back-zip sleepers, is that inconvenience doesn't seem to play a large part in the daytime rompers and jumpsuits: a lot of them are back zipping or even occasionally back buttoning. So why would this be different for pajama's? Combining this with nray's idea: if your parents want you to wear back-zippered sleepers on longer trips, wouldn't it make more sense to get you a regular back zipping jumpsuit that has a loose fit? Even with an added zipper tab, I'm sure that would hardly draw any attention, even on the school bus. Finding a pair of overalls that you wouldn't be able to take off yourself would be harder, although your grandmother might be able to come up with something ;-)

About consequences: mittened pajamas have some disadvantages - that is, mittens that the wearer can't take off or pull her hands out of: you normally can't operate touch screens, so one can't use smartphones or tablets. Furthermore you probably don't want to do anything that makes your hands dirty, like eating fruit, since you can't wash them well.
You could also consider getting to bed earlier or getting up earlier in the weekend.
Another possibility is perhaps to think outside the scope of wetting and pajama's, like staying away from less healthy foods and/or drinks.

About onesies: you like the zipper between the legs for changing - do you wet so much that you need to change the incontinence material while in your pjs? Zippers between the legs are usually only found in toddlers or handicap sleepers, although onepiece has 2 models that sport those, too (e.g. https://www.onepiece.com/en-nl/womens/jumpsuits/limited/joey-onesie-jungle-green) For your grandmother it shouldn't be hard to put a zipper between the legs of an existing sleeper.
Normally the back zippered pajamas are pretty plain and clinical; one exception is Little Keeper Sleeper (littlekeepersleeper.com), who has a few models that go up to size 18, and have colorful stripes (e.g. http://littlekeepersleeper.com/Long-Sleeve-Sleepers?product_id=75) Talk about prison stripes ;-) ) And the tab in the back might be similar to what your grandmother has done?
With back-zip jumpsuits and rompers being so popular at the moment, it is a bit surprising that back zip sleepers are not more common - perhaps people are too wary about nighttime bathroom visits.
Thanks for giving those examples of onesies that you'd like. It seems like making you wear 'childish' pajamas won't be a punishment for you, with perhaps an exception for PJs meant for Adult Babies - although it might be hard to tell the difference when you look at them. (I'd guess many adult babies would love those MLP ones, too.)

When you talk about getting a teacher to help you with your back-zip pjs on school trips: if you both have a mobile phone, you could call him to help you from your room instead of needing to walk the hallways.
NRay has a point that most people are not really looking at others, and not notice diapers or back zips, but I think this is different on school trips: your fellow students know you and are used to your shape, so they would notice quicker than 'the general public'. And high school might be the time in life where your peer group is most critical on your looks. So I understand you'd want to be careful in those situations.